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plus, another $500 billion in cuts at the pentagon. boeing, the military's second largest supplier, already announced a second round of executive layoffs. >> nobody wants to see this fiscal cliff without a deal because the cuts are severe and the tax increases are severe and so we've got to find a path forward. >> reporter: on capitol hill leaders signaled compromise. >> compromise is not a dirty word. i want to work together, but i want everyone to also understand you can't push us around. >> i'm not suggesting we compromise on our principles, but i am suggesting that we commit ourselves to creating an atmosphere where we can see common ground where it exists and seize it. >> reporter: post election, the same president, the same balance of power in congress, and the same problems that divided a nation. you might remember before the election the president said he thought he could come up with a deficit deal within six months of being re-elected. lynn, now the clock is ticking. >> now we'll see. thank you. now that the dust is settling,
plus, another $500 billion in cuts at the pentagon. boeing, the military's second largest supplier, already announced a second round of executive layoffs. >> nobody wants to see this fiscal cliff without a deal because the cuts are severe and the tax increases are severe and so we've got to find a path forward. >> reporter: on capitol hill leaders signaled compromise. >> compromise is not a dirty word. i want to work together, but i want everyone to also understand you can't...
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. >>> the pentagon says iranian aircraft fired twice at an unarmed u.s. drone patrolling the persian gulf last week. the shots missed and the drone was unharmed. >>> and next week, a house panel will hold a hearing on the september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi that left four americans dead. >>> and now here's your first look at this morning's dish of scrambled politics. shell shocked. that is how a campaign adviser describes mitt romney's reaction after giving his concession speech. this according to cbs news. insiders tell nbc news the campaign closed down so quickly some staffers couldn't even use their campaign-funded credit cards to pay for their taxis home that night because they'd been deactivated. >>> florida secretary of state says he hopes to finally have full election results by saturday, but the romney campaign says either way it won't bother contesting the numbers. >>> look fast because this is probably all you'll ever see of president elect romney's website. it accidently went live just long enough for political blogger to ca
. >>> the pentagon says iranian aircraft fired twice at an unarmed u.s. drone patrolling the persian gulf last week. the shots missed and the drone was unharmed. >>> and next week, a house panel will hold a hearing on the september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi that left four americans dead. >>> and now here's your first look at this morning's dish of scrambled politics. shell shocked. that is how a campaign adviser describes mitt romney's reaction...
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commander in afghanistan who is now under investigation by the pentagon's inspector general for what officials described as potentially inappropriate e-mails with one of the women directly involved in the case. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has more on this ever-widening story. >> reporter: the scandal involving two very different women, tampa socialite jill kelley and petraeus biographer paul broadwell ensnared not only petraeus but his successor. john allen who took over from petraeus in afghanistan and is the president's choice to be supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe, a nomination now temporarily on hold. >> sweetheart, thank you for all that you have done for me and for our precious -- >> reporter: the general is married with a sterling record but on a flight to australia monday night aides to defense secretary leon panetta said there was a dramatic turn in the case. fbi investigators uncovered potentially inappropriate communications between the general and jill kelley, whom he and his wife got to know in tampa. and were reviewing betw
commander in afghanistan who is now under investigation by the pentagon's inspector general for what officials described as potentially inappropriate e-mails with one of the women directly involved in the case. nbc's chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has more on this ever-widening story. >> reporter: the scandal involving two very different women, tampa socialite jill kelley and petraeus biographer paul broadwell ensnared not only petraeus but his successor. john allen...
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the pentagon is combing through thousands of pages of documents belonging to john allen. he's denied any wrong doing. a u.s. official tells nbc news that the documents could connect general allen to jill kelley. she's the same woman whose original complaint about harassing e-mails set off the initial investigation. e-mails that multiple law enforcement sources tell nbc was traced back to this woman, paula broadwell. she's admitted to an affair with dvp dp. last night fbi agents searched paula broadwell's home, the home she shares with her family. she had given them permission to go into the home. they took out boxes and apparently photo es. joining me now is jim frederick, editor at "time" magazine. i heard people joke about this and all the salacious titles. but at the heart of this are some serious and legitimate conce concerns. the president not making any huge pronouncements, but starting with general allen here, the e-mails were exchanged over a two-year span. his confirmation is being held up. that's a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. the story is changing by the hour
the pentagon is combing through thousands of pages of documents belonging to john allen. he's denied any wrong doing. a u.s. official tells nbc news that the documents could connect general allen to jill kelley. she's the same woman whose original complaint about harassing e-mails set off the initial investigation. e-mails that multiple law enforcement sources tell nbc was traced back to this woman, paula broadwell. she's admitted to an affair with dvp dp. last night fbi agents searched paula...
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the pentagon says a u.s. military effort to seize syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons would require upward of 75,000 troops and "the times" reports that senior american officials are concerned that hezbollah has set up camp near the chemical weapons depose. the white house declined to comment. >>> four people were killed in texas when a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans. this is just terrible. it's an accident that happened at a railroad crossing in midland, texas, as the float tried to get around the safety gates and lights. the float was made with a flatbed trailer. in addition to the four deaths, there were 17 people injured. m midland's mayor reacted to the accident. >> this may be one of the most tragic events we've had in our town and it's a sad day. i shook their hands and saw them personally and met their wives. it truly was an honor to be in their presence. these guys are true american heroes. >> that's for sure. secretary of defense leon panetta issued a statemen
the pentagon says a u.s. military effort to seize syria's stockpiles of chemical weapons would require upward of 75,000 troops and "the times" reports that senior american officials are concerned that hezbollah has set up camp near the chemical weapons depose. the white house declined to comment. >>> four people were killed in texas when a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans. this is just terrible. it's an accident that happened at a railroad...
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the pentagon suspended broadwell's security clearances and macdill air force base revoked jill kelley's pass to the base. >>> overseas now, fears of a new war in the middle east are on the rise after israelis took out the top military commander of hamas in a ferocious attack yesterday. and just this morning the first israeli fatalities of the renewed conflict, three people killed in rocket fire from the gaza strip. martin fletcher is live with the latest on this. martin, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, lynn. israel's army warned of dangerous days ahead. difficult days ahead. and they're already difficult enough. today israel is continuing its attacks on gaza, still targeting hamas militant leaders and in particular over the last 12, 16 hours attacking stockpiles of long range rockets that hamas has been building up in gaza. that's what israel says this is tack is all about. stopping hamas from the ability to attack israel with the rockets. they say they destroyed many of the long range rockets which can target cities as far north as tel aviv. there is one report from gaza that
the pentagon suspended broadwell's security clearances and macdill air force base revoked jill kelley's pass to the base. >>> overseas now, fears of a new war in the middle east are on the rise after israelis took out the top military commander of hamas in a ferocious attack yesterday. and just this morning the first israeli fatalities of the renewed conflict, three people killed in rocket fire from the gaza strip. martin fletcher is live with the latest on this. martin, good morning....
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it is not a -- a -- hooked up to the cia, to the pentagon, anything like that. i mean, so it would -- i mean, what's it going to be about? just about personal items? national security would nover have been at risk with something like this, would it? >> the reality of people in government who use their personal accounts and their government accounts is that anything they do, they're on the clock, and if there's any question about vulnerability, blackmail vulnerability to other people within the government using information in a way that would negatively impact someone else, that needs to be investigated. there's just different standard for people in the intelligence world. and even beyond what normally government or leadership positions about what they -- what the -- the threat they face if they've got any personal vulnerabilities. as i said, one of the bigger mysteries people are curious about this morning is what was this investigation about? how did it start? >> interesting last question, paula broadwell, we have learned, is the woman who is being investigated
it is not a -- a -- hooked up to the cia, to the pentagon, anything like that. i mean, so it would -- i mean, what's it going to be about? just about personal items? national security would nover have been at risk with something like this, would it? >> the reality of people in government who use their personal accounts and their government accounts is that anything they do, they're on the clock, and if there's any question about vulnerability, blackmail vulnerability to other people...
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. >> the thing that was so strange to hear today was to watch the pentagon insist to reporters that there's nothing they know of that's untoward besides flirtation revealed in the e-mails between kelley and general allen. allen has had an absolutely star crossed tenure in afghanistan. he had scandal after scandal from the bails attacks that left 16 innocents dead to the koran burnings, to images coming out of marines urinating on a dead taliban militant, and he's been able to level with a lot of us in the press about the progress not really being as rapid as he would like, and you see this happen, to have allen swept up in all of this was kind of cataclysmic at the pentagon. a lot of us went to sleep thinking it was a scandal about general petraeus, and then suddenly allen is involved in it. it was absolutely surreal. >> and richard, one of the things that happened over the years, petraeus has been glorified by the media, it is not something i felt capable of contributing to since i don't know anything about the military, never having spent a day in it, but that doesn't inhibit other report
. >> the thing that was so strange to hear today was to watch the pentagon insist to reporters that there's nothing they know of that's untoward besides flirtation revealed in the e-mails between kelley and general allen. allen has had an absolutely star crossed tenure in afghanistan. he had scandal after scandal from the bails attacks that left 16 innocents dead to the koran burnings, to images coming out of marines urinating on a dead taliban militant, and he's been able to level with a...
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the fbi turned it over to the pentagon, and the pentagon has ordered its own investigation. the married general allen denies an improper relationship with kelley. he's currently president obama's choice for supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe. that nomination is on hold. as nbc news reports the president learned of the problems on friday, the same day he accepted petraeus's resignation. that hasn't stopped the con spearary theorists over on fox news. >> who knew about the affair before the leak, and why didn't they speak up? >> the idea that obama would not be told by coincidence two or three days after the election absolutely beyond belief. >> you have to suspend disbelief. >> it appears that the white house is lying again just as it was lying about benghazi. >> how could the fbi pick up something like this in the spring and take months to figure it out? >> we're supposed to believe that an affair involving the hetd of the cia was never discuss. >> did the sex scandal influence benghazi? why president obama didn't know about it? so if he did know about it, the
the fbi turned it over to the pentagon, and the pentagon has ordered its own investigation. the married general allen denies an improper relationship with kelley. he's currently president obama's choice for supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe. that nomination is on hold. as nbc news reports the president learned of the problems on friday, the same day he accepted petraeus's resignation. that hasn't stopped the con spearary theorists over on fox news. >> who knew about the...
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they're deferring comment to the pentagon where we have heard from the spokesman there, george little. here are the basic details. for the first time in history an iranian jet has fired on a u.s. military drone, a drone insists the pentagon that was in international waters, not over iranian air space. it did not strike the drone and the president as well as secretary -- i'm sorry secretary panetta and president obama were notified on the morning of november 1st. evidently this took place at about 4:50 eastern time that morning, martin. >> and, mike, i understand there's some information about the president traveling overseas in the near future. is that right? >> reporter: right. this was a trip that the president had talked about actually an asean meeting. he will be in myanmar, burma, of course, and thailand and cambodia. he'll be making this trip over the course of the third week in november just before thanksgiving. this is a trip that the president had promised to make before the last time he was in the region you recall he goes there virtually every year in the fall for the apec
they're deferring comment to the pentagon where we have heard from the spokesman there, george little. here are the basic details. for the first time in history an iranian jet has fired on a u.s. military drone, a drone insists the pentagon that was in international waters, not over iranian air space. it did not strike the drone and the president as well as secretary -- i'm sorry secretary panetta and president obama were notified on the morning of november 1st. evidently this took place at...
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with the war in iraq over and the president winding down the war in afghanistan, the pentagon faces some deep budget cuts. defense secretary leon panetta has called the cuts potentially devastating. what do you think that means and what would likely get cut? >> everything is going to get cut. if there's no agreement made across the board cuts will be made. i think you're talking about $483 billion. that's a great deal of money. and it's going to be arbitrary and it's not for nothing that secretary panetta is running around with his hair on fire. this is a guy, by the way, who made his name cutting budgets. so he knows what he's talking about, but you can't cut across the board any budget, including but especially the defense budget, without having a really devastating impact on things like flight hours, am niths, training, all the things that we need to keep the army, air force, navy, and marine corps prepared and operating. that sufficient is going to get slush eed arbitrarily. that's what panetta is worried about, what i'm worried about, and that's why there's got to be some agreement
with the war in iraq over and the president winding down the war in afghanistan, the pentagon faces some deep budget cuts. defense secretary leon panetta has called the cuts potentially devastating. what do you think that means and what would likely get cut? >> everything is going to get cut. if there's no agreement made across the board cuts will be made. i think you're talking about $483 billion. that's a great deal of money. and it's going to be arbitrary and it's not for nothing that...
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. >> and though he praised allen, panetta said he felt it was important to refer the matter to the pentagon's inpeck tore general. the senior defense official tells nbc news that panetta didn't make this decision lightly. secretary clinton acknowledged she has talked to u.s. partners about the allen case but says it won't harm the war effort. >> general allen is a distinguished marine and commander who has been an important part of the nato isap mission in afghanistan. there's been a lot of conversation, as you might expect, bob, but no concern whatsoever being expressed to us because the mission has been set forth. it is being carried out. >> the head of nato also told reporters today in brussels that he has full confidence in general allen. we are also learning more about the 20,000 to 30,000 documents that include some e-mails between general allen and the tampa socialite jill kelley which the pentagon calls potentially inappropriate communications. the fbi has characterized some of the e-mails as, quote, flirtatious. the general strongly denies any misconduct and the fbi has not found any
. >> and though he praised allen, panetta said he felt it was important to refer the matter to the pentagon's inpeck tore general. the senior defense official tells nbc news that panetta didn't make this decision lightly. secretary clinton acknowledged she has talked to u.s. partners about the allen case but says it won't harm the war effort. >> general allen is a distinguished marine and commander who has been an important part of the nato isap mission in afghanistan. there's been...
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as painful as it may be, as difficult as it may be, the pentagon has to step up. they have to find ways to save money, too. and i think a lot of those on the left feel that we've gone too deep into education and other programs. let's make sure this is balanced from this point forward. >> senator, before we let you go, switching topics a bit, i assume that much of today's press conference or a lot of it, too much of it, will be preoccupied with the two co-stars of "you've got mail," general petraeus and paula broadwell, but it leads to a larger issue, many people think, and that is the repeated deployments of the american military to afghanistan following on iraq and the impact it has on service families left behind and the war itself, the lingering 12-year war. what's your view on all of this? >> mike, you put your finger on it. we ought to talk about the real cost of war. it is not just in dollar terms. it certainly includes the terrible loss of life, over 5,000 americans in iraq and afghanistan. it means those who came back with injuries and the impact on indivi
as painful as it may be, as difficult as it may be, the pentagon has to step up. they have to find ways to save money, too. and i think a lot of those on the left feel that we've gone too deep into education and other programs. let's make sure this is balanced from this point forward. >> senator, before we let you go, switching topics a bit, i assume that much of today's press conference or a lot of it, too much of it, will be preoccupied with the two co-stars of "you've got...
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putting the decorated veteran and former presidential candidate in charge at the pentagon and not at the state department, as had been widely speculated. "the washington post" is sourcing its reporting to unnamed senior administration officials. senator kerry is also not commenting tonight. if senator kerry does move to the cabinet for defense or any other post, there will be an immediate political question for the democrats as to what happens to his u.s. senate seat in massachusetts. senator kerry had mostly been talked about as a potential replacement for secretary of state hillary clinton. the post reporting tonight that that nomination for secretary of state is instead almost certain to go to united nations ambassador susan rice. republicans tried to make into a scandal susan rice's comments after the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. her comments that the attack was thought to be linked to islamist protests rather than an organized terrorist attack. but the administration and the intelligence committee have stepped up to defend her remarks that sunday. and if she is tapped
putting the decorated veteran and former presidential candidate in charge at the pentagon and not at the state department, as had been widely speculated. "the washington post" is sourcing its reporting to unnamed senior administration officials. senator kerry is also not commenting tonight. if senator kerry does move to the cabinet for defense or any other post, there will be an immediate political question for the democrats as to what happens to his u.s. senate seat in massachusetts....
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has trids to have a significant republican at a top position in his cabinet, before bob gates in the pentagon for the better part of the first term. i think he wants to do that again. his instinct towards not necessarily to hagel, although i think he is under consideration for one of the jobs, but it's a good time for the reboot and i think we're going to see that happen. >> it's a complicated reboot, right? we knew that clinton was leaving, geithner wants to go, we heard panetta, those were gives. as tom friedman says -- the whole middle east erupts in one giant sound and light show of civil wars, states collapsing and refugee dislocations as the keystone of the region syria gets pulled under and the disorder across the neighborhood and you were worried about the fiscal cliff. >> governor? >> i think john is right about the personnel changes. this is the time. every administration goes through it. if you're re-elected you're going to have this turnover and this is the best time for it. we didn't want it before the election. john is right you don't want it five months down the road when your
has trids to have a significant republican at a top position in his cabinet, before bob gates in the pentagon for the better part of the first term. i think he wants to do that again. his instinct towards not necessarily to hagel, although i think he is under consideration for one of the jobs, but it's a good time for the reboot and i think we're going to see that happen. >> it's a complicated reboot, right? we knew that clinton was leaving, geithner wants to go, we heard panetta, those...
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there's been jokes it's not a love triangle, it's a love pentagon. here is what's important on the public interest level. attorney general eric holder at a press conference today in new orleans to announce the biggest criminal settlement, the biggest criminal fines and resolution ever in american history against bp is asked about this soap opera in tampa regarding petraeus. and what he said is, look, there are a lot of things going on right now but the important thing is there was no breach of national security. if there had been a breach of national security, we would have taken this to the fbi -- the fbi would have taken this to the white house. they would have taken it to capitol hill. since there was none, we didn't feel like we had to share a criminal investigation. that's an important development. it's the first time he's spoken out on this. >> so there's nothing really there in terms of impact on the country's security. let me go to bart on the same question, the relationship between general petraeus and the reporter broadwell. you know, often
there's been jokes it's not a love triangle, it's a love pentagon. here is what's important on the public interest level. attorney general eric holder at a press conference today in new orleans to announce the biggest criminal settlement, the biggest criminal fines and resolution ever in american history against bp is asked about this soap opera in tampa regarding petraeus. and what he said is, look, there are a lot of things going on right now but the important thing is there was no breach of...
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>> let's talk about how the ceos are selected in the pentagon. obviously eisenhower was coming of age in the military. you rose through the ranks differently for different reasons than you do now. rewards and punishments then versus now are radically different. aren't they? >> they are. marshall invents the modern super power military. when he takes over as army chief of staff september 1, 1939, the army has about 180,000 people, including the air force. which is part of the army then. he takes it up to 9.5 million over five years. so it is a huge expansion. he makes it look easy almost. but back then, there was a very clear system of incentivizing success. there was accountability. these days there is not accountability for generals. the raw material is not bad for generals. there are a lot of smart, ambitious, hard working guys. the problem is, there's no incentive to take risk. there's no incentive to succeed. everybody veers towards mediocrity because that's the way to get through. >> wow. tom ricks, thank you very much. the book is "the gene
>> let's talk about how the ceos are selected in the pentagon. obviously eisenhower was coming of age in the military. you rose through the ranks differently for different reasons than you do now. rewards and punishments then versus now are radically different. aren't they? >> they are. marshall invents the modern super power military. when he takes over as army chief of staff september 1, 1939, the army has about 180,000 people, including the air force. which is part of the army...
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somebody that smart when so much of the war on terror is prosecuted by the cia, to have someone from the pentagon with his background move over to the cia and head that was incredibly lucky for the country because there are few other people who could've made that change, survived moving from one tough bureaucracy to another and be such a great intellectual and forward-thinking person about how to protect the united states. >> the other part of this, obviously, is petraeus' legacy in afghanistan, and being the author of the book on counterinsurgency in a literal sense, to what extent was the implications of that doctrine of the policy decisions that he was part of running up to this are going to be ultimately much, much more important going forward than any -- i think than to go to john's point, who knows what this is. but right now, we should also be having a pretty healthy debate about when we switched from counterterror to counterinsurgency over there. >> yeah. >>> still ahead, newt gingrich also chair of the dnc debbie wasserman schultz, more "morning joe" in a moment. [ male announcer ] human
somebody that smart when so much of the war on terror is prosecuted by the cia, to have someone from the pentagon with his background move over to the cia and head that was incredibly lucky for the country because there are few other people who could've made that change, survived moving from one tough bureaucracy to another and be such a great intellectual and forward-thinking person about how to protect the united states. >> the other part of this, obviously, is petraeus' legacy in...
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it isn't just a triangle, it's a pentagon. that general down there, he is the top commander of our war in afghanistan. afghanistan, really? please. if our troops were really still fighting in afghanistan, don't you think we'd be hearing about that on the news instead of all this bull [ bleep ]? >> good morning. it is friday. it is friday, november 16th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. richard. >> good morning. >> chairman of deutsche incorporated, donny deutsch. get over it. okay? get over it. >> get over what? what are you talking about? >> all of you are in here. in washington, msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> richard's in here? >> i don't know why. i'm serious. what's going on? also, look at this cast we have today, the author of "thomas jefferson, the art of power," historian jon meacham. is meacham here? meacham, look at him. >> lots of books. >> and willie, congratulations on your newest honor. >> than
it isn't just a triangle, it's a pentagon. that general down there, he is the top commander of our war in afghanistan. afghanistan, really? please. if our troops were really still fighting in afghanistan, don't you think we'd be hearing about that on the news instead of all this bull [ bleep ]? >> good morning. it is friday. it is friday, november 16th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. richard....